Spot UV on uncoated

[pixelperfectstudio]

I am doing a Spot UV for my first time. The printer that I am working with doesn't do the UV themselves but says the people who do it say that if the Spot UV is applied to an uncoated paper it will not show. The thing is I have seen it on uncoated paper like the French Paper's Perfect Match cards found in How Magazine. Any opinions?

Paper will probably be comparable to a Mohawk Superfine (open to suggestions)

Attached is an example of some of the spot uv (I created a tinted black to represent the pattern) I want to see the pattern, I just want it to be subtle, like at certain angles depending on how the light is hitting it.

cheers

[M]

nice design.

not too long ago i did a test print run for this same technique. spot uv on superfine (if i'm not mistaken). no go...uv basically ineffective. so we went with a coated sheet with a very low shine, i think it was utopia II, don't have the swatchbook on me so i cannot check.....a compromise but the finished product was not bad. but obviously we lost the uncoated-to-uv shine effect that was part of the concept.

my recommendation: use a printer that will print your job with uv inks plus do the uv coating in house. better quality control, knowledge, and less chance for errors. instead of having your pallet of sheets bounced around from vendor to vendor. if they have to outsource uv then that is a red flag for me. i'd rather go with a capable printer.

my ultimate recommendation: do not sacrafice your uncoated sheet...instead of a uv on coated do a clear foil stamp of your pattern on your superfine or whatever uncoated you choose. work with a better printer and make sure the size and detail of your pattern will work with a clear foil stamp technique.

M

[pixelperfectstudio]

Thanks....it's 1 page out of a 8 page folder/brochure about a space where a multi media/editing company use to be (We're trying to lease the space).

I am looking at some other printers.

Any idea what the heck they use on those perfect match cards? If you get HOW Magazine its the cards that have the two awkward couples that are so perfect for each other. Anyway where the black is it looks like thermography, but where the background color has a shimmer with some pattern and it said Spot UV on the card. I called French Paper and they weren't sure but thought it was the UV too.

But thats 2 saying no.

I'll check out the other option, thanks for your suggestion

[M]

yeah, i'd need to see the magazine insert in person. i don't get HOW mag

M

[typet]

I believe there are 2 kinds of UV coating.
Inline UV (more texture-y, some special printer do that, expensive) and Offline UV coating (smooth & even finish, any printer do that, inexpensive).
I think one you are looking for is Inline UV coating.

[pixelperfectstudio]

Does the latter work on uncoated?

[M]

inline & offline refers to the environment, whether it's done in the same pass or done at a different point in time on another press. the UV coating itself remains the same...they are the same process in texture and finish. they do not make noticable difference on uncoated. it will be essentially ineffective because of the nature and surface of an uncoated sheet.

any coating done offline, adds to the cost from the standpoint that the sheet is run through a press again. so you're adding another press setup, breakdown, pressman, press time etc.

M

[wheezbuh]

something that is very similar to that chunky UV thing is thermography. thermography sounds totally hoaky (it's the raised letter printing offered at office max for business cards). however, when used creatively, i think you can get the same type of effect. you can check on the availability of a clear thermography from your vendors.

[wheezbuh]

huge piece of advice:

get a sample from your vendor of something that they have done that matches what you are going for. just because you know the term "UV coating" was used for the French pieces, that doesn't mean you're going to get the exact same thing. especially if there is ANY question as to what will happen.

you read it a lot on the forums, or from peers, that they want to try a technique, but neither they nor the printer quite know how to achieve it and then hope for the best on press.

at my work, we tried to do a clear foil over 2 hits of match brown. this was on a premium neenah cover stock. but the pressure from the foil ended up creating little crackly outlines where the paper white was showing thru the brown ink. that was a headache to try and deal with on-the-fly. we had to ditch the foil and use a tinted varnish instead. bummer. but the lesson here is that we *** things would go smoothly - and we were actually pretty well prepared. so if you're going into this print job unsure and optimistic, you're bound to be disappointed.

so i would demand UV samples on a similar paper stock. if that's the route you are going. or i would look into the thermography thing. it has a similar 3D/irregular quality.

[newkid]

I am interested in spot uv.  I am doing business cards and would like to add the uv shine and embossed type. I don't have a clue how to get started. Please help. Open to all  suggestions. What equipment is necessary? HELP!